Type of rose according to foliage

[Mustansir Billah]

Could a rose type be determined by its foliage?
If Yes! then how to identify them?

[Farhan Ahmed]

Its difficult to identify roses through flower even........through foliage

[newton]

whilst I am enthusiastic about roses I am by no means an expert so please forgive me if I make a mistake. I also like to share my opinions so please forgive me for that too.

One of the ways to identify roses is by counting the number of leaflets per stalk .

Roses are divided into 3 main groups: Species (wild) roses & their hybrids, Old Garden roses and Modern roses. Species roses are typically large climbing or shrub-like roses with single, flat flowers blooming in late spring or early summer followed by hips (seeds) in autumn. They are the parents of the modern roses we have today. Old Garden Roses are further subdivided into the following classes: Alba, Ayrshire, Bourbon, Boursault, Centifolia, China, Damask, Gallica, Hybrid Perpetual, Moss, Noisette, Portland, Ramblers and Tea.

Modern Roses are a broad mix which include the following types: Climbing, Floribunda, Grandiflora, Hybrid Musk, Hybrid Rugosa, Hybrid Tea, Landscape (including Groundcover) or Shrub, Miniature, Mini-flora and Polyantha.

Most modern roses including hybrid teas and floribunda roses have five leaflets per stalk. whereas roses belonging to the other groups have 7 or 9 or more leaflets, suckers that come up from the below the graft union have 7 leaflets. If the suckers have 7 leaflets they generally wont flower and if they have five they will throw out single usually white or pale pink insignificant flowers.

regards

Ifzal

If you have an interest in the climbers you will find that climbing roses being modern generally have five leaflets and ramblers being old almost always have 7 leaflets.

[Hamad Ahmed Kisana]

great ,,mr ifzal it is very informative answer.

[Mustansir Billah]

JazakAllah!

[U.A]

sir can u tell the best growing rose climber varitites in lhr??? best grown in containers???

[yahya.ghazali]

i have observed the white iceberg rose having 7 or more leaflets and the leaves are comparatively smaller and with shine. They are also more spread in arrangement with almost no thorns on the bush.

[newton]

sir can u tell the best growing rose climber varitites in lhr??? best grown in containers???

The problem with growing roses in containers is that the root system of an established rose is that it has a deep taproot with its feeding roots many feet away from the base of the plant.

However if you wish to grow them in containers it is possible but it requires double the time and effort.
1) You must ensure your compost is the right mix and is top dressed and fertilised best twice in a year. The mix should be around 75% loam 15% peat or leaf mould or coconut husk and 10percent riversand/finegravel. this should also contain a general purpose slow release fertiliser like bonemeal. This mixture will last for no more than 10-15 month before requiring replacement or supplementary feeding. Roses of all sizes love coffee and tea grounds and banana peels. Spoon some coffee or tea grounds periodically on the soil under the rose. Dig a small hole near the rose, stick a piece of banana peel in and cover it up. An alternative mix is 40% ordinary soil 30% well seasoned farmyard manure 30% drainage and humus like sand gravel. The mixture is important because it allows the soil to remain moist, hold nutrients and not become centrally dried out or waterlogged.

2) You should repot into a larger size of pot every other year. A large pot with a depth of at least 30cm is the minimum start point.

3) The repotting is important because at this time you must take the opportunity to carefully prune the tap roots to compensate for their being confined, and to encourage a strong, fibrous system. The fibrous roots take up the water and nutrients that produce a good crop of flower and healthy foliage.

Pruning a rose at the root is similar in principle to pruning above the ground. A network of strong growths should be shortened to encourage lateral branching. This is where the all-important fibrous roots are developed. They are essential because they replace the stabilising taproot and allow the plant to feed in a limited space. For best quality roses do this regime every year to prevent the long taproots re-forming, but for the average display this needs to be done no more than every other year, when plants are re-potted.

4) To grow roses in pots successfully, never let them dry out, watering them every day if necessary in summer and feed them every couple of weeks throughout the growing season - initially with a general purpose liquid feed and then, as flower buds appear, with a high potash5 liquid feed such as a tomato fertiliser. Roses are greedy feeders they enjoy being fed and fed and fed. If you don't feed them in a pot they will start to sulk and slowly but surely fade away.

5) The climbers "New Dawn" or "Climbing Iceberg" are generally good hardy roses for LHR climate in containers.

regards

Ifzal

[UMARKHANMARDAN]

Only Ice berg is the rose which can be identified from its foliage.to some extent bejazo no other rose can be identified from its foliage.Roses have been hybridized to such degree that you can not 100% identify it from its foliage.Even some tomes you can not even identify it from its flowers.many roses change their colors according to the sun light & even an expert can be easily fooled.i do not agree with this idea.
You can identify Rugosa but only its class & not the exact variety of it.you can identify ice berg but not its color.You may think its Bejazo & it may be Signature.

[Mustansir Billah]

JazakAllah Umar sb. I was waiting for answer as you are the most experienced one in roses...