Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by KBW » April 13th, 2013, 12:30 am

Umar bhai you are technically correct. Actually, I did remove four out of six buds but did let two of them flower.

I am removing most of the buds.... but letting a few to flower..... just to see how they look like you know :mrgreen:

Can you identify the yellow rose? Looks like Moulinex... what do you say?
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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by Rafaiy » April 13th, 2013, 1:05 am

beautiful roses you have there :) ...anxiously waiting for my newly planted roses to confirm their identity...can you guide me about any rose having dark purple colour? Umar bhai any suggestions from where i can get a pure purple colour rose...

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by UMARKHANMARDAN » April 13th, 2013, 1:39 am

Aoa Rafaiy you can get purple roses from Fateh Muhammad nursery,Islamabad or Allah tawakal nursery,Bakramandi chowk,Rawalpindi.Rafaiy let me clarify that many roses sold as lavenders or purple are actually revert pinks thats why mostly are fragrant.Another thing lavenders & purples are more suspectable to disease.Another thing what your rose will be really depends on the temps.Please visit AYkhan thread i think he has the darkest or let me say most true purple rose.

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Post by UMARKHANMARDAN » April 13th, 2013, 1:44 am

KBW open the web breeders official web site.look at the color,hight,spread,fragrance & petal count.then compare your yellow with the breeders one.some colors are mostly repeated by many breeders.the one novelty that mostly breeders have with different names is the red with reverse white.Bajazo,candella,Fire & ice,Ronald regan so count the petals.as you have said Bejazo has strong fragrance.but i say it has not fragrance at all.may be the big one we say is bejazo may be Ronald regan.

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by UMARKHANMARDAN » April 13th, 2013, 2:01 am

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look at these two different varieties by two different breeders.

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Post by UMARKHANMARDAN » April 13th, 2013, 2:13 am

There is even a third one in my garden with same color combination
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there are even two more on the local market all sold as Bejazo.even the Ketchup & mustered is sold as Bejazo.

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by aykhan » April 14th, 2013, 7:06 pm

Beautiful roses KBW!! I love Helen Naude also and Marvelle is unique too. A must have for me now but probably for next year till I can figure out how to add more feet to my beds in my already shrinking lawn :D

The one you labeled as Fragrant Cloud looks like it. As for Molineux please check my thread for it's picture and compare. I am 100% confirm on my varieties since most of my David Austin roses have been purchased from David Austin website for the USA including Molineux and some others from Edmunds Roses website in the USA and Heirloom Roses USA. The other I have double checked the blooms from internet websites and only labeled once I was 100% certain. I have found Haji sahib of Changa to be an honorable man and I can say all of what he gave me was true to name.

I have all three of the darkest purple ie Big Purple, Ebb Tide and Twilight Zone. I'm waiting on the Twilight Zone but all these so called smokey purples are actually super dark pink in our climate and turn more darker purple as they age. They will probably be like the pictures on the internet in places like Murree. I am actually struggling with disease on Ebb Tide and I think I've poisoned the plant almost to it's death so far trying to control spider mite. Same on Big Purple. The bushes will be stronger next year so if they face disease then also then I really might just pull them out for good.

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by KBW » April 14th, 2013, 7:17 pm

Umar bhai,
You are absolutely right. I have so far located six different Bejazo like roses with different names. I also have one called Snowfire which is quite similar but smaller flowers and scented.

Another aspect that casues confusion is the colour and size of flowers. What we see on European and American websites are G1, mostly own root roses which have much bigger flowers and due to cool weather, colours are more vivid. Then the pics are probably of the best specimens. Here, we get few months old grafted roses which have to encounter a hot climate. No wonder they end up producing flowers which are ordinary in health and at time far different from their parents.

aykhan wrote:As for Molineux please check my thread for it's picture and compare. I am 100% confirm on my varieties since most of my David Austin roses have been purchased from David Austin website for the USA including Molineux and some others from Edmunds Roses website in the USA and Heirloom Roses USA. The other I have double checked the blooms from internet websites and only labeled once I was 100% certain. I have found Haji sahib of Changa to be an honorable man and I can say all of what he gave me was true to name.
Actually the plant is still weak as it is local grafted six months old plant. I bought it from Changa Nursery and Haji sb did attach a tage to it but it was lost somewhere. I think I will have to see a few more flowers to know which rose is this :)

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by KBW » April 20th, 2013, 12:53 am

An update....

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Saeeda Kareem is a fantastic rose indeed. Beautiful malon & apricot shading, strong frangrance and free flowering. Ibrahim Changa gets full marks for breeding this beauty.

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Electron is also on bloom. Very nice scent.

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This is one of the purest white roses that I have seen. Strong fragrance. Unfortunately, I still don't know the name :( :(
Could it be Susan Williams-Ellis??

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So it appears that it is not Moulinex!! Does not look The Pilgrim also. So what rose is this?? Still trying to find the name.

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Patio roses have also started flowering. Like their small dandy flowers but still trying to find their proper names :(

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Re: Roses 2013 (newly planted, mostly)....

Post by aykhan » April 20th, 2013, 9:26 am

It will be very difficult to find proper names since there are thousands of cultivars. Good guesses can always be made. Nice show.

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