Organic vegetables

[M Farooq]

Rightly said Arif sb...in 1960s they had realized that it is bad, as you witnessed, but we haven't.

Would you classify kmc khaad, made from animal offal, organic?

Classification is a tricky topic...because real life is grey rather than black and white. You know that there are varieties of "organic" food, like 100%, then 70% organic and so on. So your KMC khaad's category will be determined by how it is processed. If it is just based on natural decomposition processes then it is certainly 100% organic. As Arif sahab said, all our forefathers used mostly organic food. Modern civilization has just re-discovered it...not for the benefit of mankind but for business...because organic food is out of the reach of the poor even in developed countries.

[Muhammad Arif Khan]

Saeed, your home grown vegetables taste better than the market ones for three reasons.
They are fresh.
They were plucked at the right time.
Placebo effect.
If you were to grow two batches of a vegetable at the same time, one organic and other inorganic, then perhaps the results would be of some significance and to avoid placebo effect the taster would have to be some one ignorant of the origin. vegetables that can be eaten raw would be best for trial.
It would be a fun do let us know if you under take.
Arif

[RedEyeJedi]

Thanks M. Farooq, addresses the doubt i had.

[Muhammad Arif Khan]

Modern civilization has just re-discovered it...not for the benefit of mankind but for business...because organic food is out of the reach of the poor even in developed countries."Farooq"
That is reading between the lines

[newton]

A few years ago I recall a similar "blind test". It was done on a scientific basis and things were equalled out. I.e fruit and sugar content etc.

The sceintific conclusion was that there was no discernible differance in taste between organic and non-organic.

Interestingly however most of the organic growers could accurately tell the differance through the colour, smell and texture of the vegetables though.

[isaeed]

re following statement
"Saeed, your home grown vegetables taste better than the market ones for three reasons.
They are fresh.
They were plucked at the right time.
Placebo effect.
If you were to grow two batches of a vegetable at the same time, one organic and other inorganic, then perhaps the results would be of some significance and to avoid placebo effect the taster would have to be some one ignorant of the origin. vegetables that can be eaten raw would be best for trial.
It would be a fun do let us know if you under take.
Arif"

[isaeed]

if we google for" do organic vegetables taste better?"there r many articles that address the issues raised in the discussion on this subject
the tests have already been carried out with mixed results
please read the above in conjunction with my partial reply submitted a short while ago
regards
irfan saeed

[Mustansir Billah]

Irfan sb. one more thing to produce food for the growing population of people in the world inorganic and civilized means of agriculture are used. Because inorganic and civilized agriculture gives great yield and less labor. But if you want to grow vegetables and fruits in home than why not go for the organic gardening.

[isaeed]

dear Mustansir
I am a proponent of organic gardening and reported in my earlier mail that i found it to taste better than those(inorganically produced) in the market.This statement was questioned by Mr Arif .Hence the debate. my referrel to results on the web was meant to see the international experiences based on comparitive tests which explains in detail differences in characteristics of inorganic and organic produce and explains reasons for the difference in prices between the two.
You mentioned civilised agriculture.I do not understand.Isnt organic farming more civilised?Perhaps you meant commercial farming.
regards
Irfan

[M Farooq]

I think in this century it is almost impossible to avoid synthetic fertilizers. I don't think there is anything such as pure organic until and unless one owns a dairy farm, a wheat field, and big field for growing fruits and vegetables. Some greedy milkman not only add water to milk but also inject hormones/ antibiotics. Even if eat organic vegetables, the roti (wheat) is grown from synthetic fertilizers. People have estimated that 40% of nitrogen (proteins, meat etc) in our bodies has come through synthetic fertilizers. As I said earlier synthetic fertilizers are not bad but pesticide residues are. There is no way to avoid it but it is possible to minimize the exposure by washing the fruits and vegetables very well with a quick luke-warm water wash before consumption.

The only fertilizer that some scientists claim is not good is the phosphate, not because phosphates are bad but some are slightly contaminated with naturally radioactive uranium present in the Earth (after all everything good or bad comes from the Earth). Thats why tobacco is even worse it is a heavy phosphate needing plant. Smokers beware.