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[farhan]

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[farhan]

these are nag champa, kamini and gardenia, wanted to know about the veriety/cultivar

[farhan]

kamini

[M Farooq]

So you are making a fragrant garden :-)

I don't know about your foliage plants but that Naag champa is NOT the naag champa (Artabotrys) at all. This is a dwarf variety of Cananga odorata. Please share your experience about the fragrance of this plant. I could not feel any fragrance except by crushing the petals. Search Cananga in our database as well.

The white and yellow Gardenia is Gardenia carinita. Very sturdy and no yellowing problem like other gardenias.

Your single white flowered Gardenia looks like a baby version of Tahitian Gardenia. Tahitian gardenia is also mildly fragrant in my experience. Did you purchase these gardenias and Cananga from Shalimar?

Regards,

[farhan]

Please share your experience about the fragrance of this plant. I could not feel any fragrance except by crushing the petals. Search Cananga in our database as well.

The white and yellow Gardenia is Gardenia carinita. Very sturdy and no yellowing problem like other gardenias.
Your single white flowered Gardenia looks like a baby version of Tahitian Gardenia. Tahitian gardenia is also mildly fragrant in my experience. Did you purchase these gardenias and Cananga from Shalimar?

Thanks for your reply

Gardenia and Cananga are available at Diamond Nursery DHA. I only bought the white Gardenia for 1500. It smells great. The yellow one is available for 800. It smells weird, almost tobacco-ish. Cananga isn't worthit, Kamini/Murraya has the same fragrance and is very intense. I have a 2 feet tall plant in a 12-14 inch pot beside by bedroom window (the one I have pictured), and the whole bedroom gets fragrant when its blooming.

Shalimar has two other Gardenia varities. Only one was blooming, it had a mild fragrance. The stuff that I was looking for was red plumeria, molsari and Michelia champaka/alba. I got molsari, while michelia *might* come later. Smaller plant of red plumeia will be available within a month inshallah, it looks good and smells like tearose. Diamond also had red plumeria, but it smelled nothing. And the flower looked ugly.

Nag champa's smaller plants are available and blooming right now at Shalimar. Didnt ask the price because I didnt like the fragrance. Too fruity for me, soongh ke khane ka dil karta he

BTW have you seen Michelia and Bauhinia anywhere in Karachi. I smelled these some 20 years ago when I was a small kid, and just remember the heavenly feeling unusual fragrance. Bauhinia was purplish, five petalled, and only one large petal was fragrant.

Regards,

[M Farooq]

Farhan, it seems that our favourite plants are 100% identical. We have made profiles of molsari, Cananga, gardenia, Bauhinia, naag champa etc in our database. Search it by Latin names to see the pictures. Molsari is my favourite too but plant it away from your lawn. It is a HUGE tree. I have not been to DHA nursery, though. The dwarf Cananga variety is not fragrant, thanks for confirming that! I was thinking that I am losing my sense of smell because the internet is full of its praise. The real Cananga odorata (ylang ylang) is used in aromatic oils. To the best of my knowledge it does not grow in Pakistan.

Shalimar had white Michelia but it was NOT impressive. It used to flower profusely. It is the yellow Michelia which very fragrant. Some say that the aromatic oil of Michelia is used in one of the best perfumes of the world like Chanel no. 5. I think some members have it or seen this in Lahore. Where did you see it growing?

Only the pink plumeria is fragrant...the red is not.

I also miss the purple Bauhinia-the real orchid like Bauhinia. Bauhinias are mildly fragrant. Only one member has this plant in Lahore. And one true specimen is growing in Karachi University in the Dept. of Botany.

It seems that you are a fragrant plant collector like me. If yes, also plant Haar singhaar (Nyctanthes). It has one of the loveliest flowers.

Regards,

[newton]

Wow. What an interesting informative discussion.. thanks guys

[Muhammad Arif Khan]

Molsari is my favourite too but plant it away from your lawn. It is a HUGE tree. "Farooq"
There are several plants in a row in our golf club that I have been told are Molsari, they bear tiny flowers which are only mildly fragrant, the fruit orang-red an inch oblong berries are eaten by ball boys. The tree are about 12 feet high and have not grown much in last 20 years.

Only the pink plumeria is fragrant...the red is not. Nothing to beat the white with yellow heart and round tipped leaves.
I also miss the purple Bauhinia-the real orchid like Bauhinia. Bauhinias are mildly fragrant. Only one member has this plant in Lahore. And one true specimen is growing in Karachi University in the Dept. of Botany
There are many trees in our golf course They were there 25 years ago when I joined the club. they are about 12-15 feet high, they bloom in November and make the surrounding heavenly fragrant.
It is the yellow Michelia which very fragrant
I got five seedlings of Michelia Champaca from Lawrance garden, kept two and gifted the others,both are 4 years old and doing well.wonder when will they bloom.
also plant Haar singhaar (Nyctanthes). It has one of the loveliest flowers.
Most on the ground and a few on the tree.
Our data base is consult able only by Latin names so is useless for me.
I wish I was living in a country house spread over a few acres at a cooler place where I could grow thousands of plants, but in real life you HAVE to compromise.
Arif

[M Farooq]

Arif sb,
1. Molsari is a slow grower, 12 ft is somewhere in between. I have 2 trees. One is stunted (~ 12 ft) and the other one is growing without any signs of stopping. The one which is stunted was kept in a large gamla for a long time. You can see Wikipedia page to see the picture of a fully grown tree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimusops_e ... cherry.jpg

2. You had mentioned such intensely fragrant Bauhinias before. I had requested pictures or the name and you said ... later. It is not clear which specific Bauhinia you are talking about. I had 4 types, all of them either had very mild or no fragrance. At times, it also happens that when there are thousands of flowers, the effect of mild fragrance becomes intense. A single raat ki raani flower is quite mild but when thousands grow on the same tree, the perfume is overpowering.

3. Good to know that you have baby yellow Michelia. What was the fragrance like of the tree?

4. Haar singhaar's beauty is the very same carpet of highly fragrant white flowers which fall on the ground in the morning. Different personal opinions.

5. "Our data base is consultable only by Latin names so is useless for me." The easiest approach is that we have a thumbnail picture next to the plant name. However, this is perhaps not supported by the current system, so it is more a computer science than a plant science issue. You can search the forum by common names, or any other English word.

[farhan]

Hello guys,

1, I have seen only one buhinia in Karachi. It was in my Primary school. I was admitted in that school in grade 4, so I smelled the flowers only once in november some 20 years ago. I only remember 5 petalled purple flower, with only one elongated, more colorful, and fragrant petal. The other petals were without any fragrance. And the fragrance was very unique and intoxicating, all around the tree. Lateron the school moved somewhere else and the new landlords cut the tree down.

2, Michelia, one of my uncles had brought a few flowers from a foreign tour, some 20 years ago. I asked him what is this flower, he said michelia. Thats my only memory of that fragrance.

3, Obviously nothing beats that yellow/white plumeria. And reds arnt fragrant, but the one at Shalimar does have a tearose fragrance.

4, Shalimar also have a Pink Oleander variety thats fragrant. It smells like Duranta erecta (sapphire shower cultivar), but a bit sharper than that. I have the same fragrance in a Red Oleander.

5, I had a har-singhar plant once, it died for no good reason. When the flower started blooming it smelled like rat ki rani, mid night like jasmine, and early morning like new leather. I loved the 3 in 1 plant, but it died.

6, I wish I was living in a country house spread over a few acres at a cooler place where I could grow thousands of plants,. Well Arif sahab, I feel the same. May be some day....

Regards,