Rose Database

[aykhan]

Then there are few even in rose lovers who are interested in ID.

The Facebook page of the forum can be made to use too. Occasional snippets about certain roses with pics can be posted and then the link given to the database for more information.

There are few regular contributers on the forum as it is so I don't think expectations should be too high. Hope should be.

[M Farooq]

That is a good idea to use facebook for occasional snippets of roses or other plants. I was thinking that can we make a feature of "Plant of the Week" and "Rose of the Week" for the gardening facebook page. A. Y. Khan sb has made that page relatively popular. KBW sb is humble enough to tell me that he does not want to "advertise" his work elsewhere except this forum. Of course none of the members has any interest in commercial aspects of webpages. The compilation of Pakistani Garden Plants is solely being done for educational purposes.

The key idea is that we should know the names of our plants growing in our gardens. Imagine a house full of people and we do not know who they are! Secondly, once we know the name we can find a lot of information about that particular plant from reliable web pages and books. Although the database is purely educational - people do not know about its existence and that is my only concern for the time being.

[Mustansir Billah]

Yes that is great Idea that to make a page on facebook and then gradually experienced and experts will also join the group and in this way it will be very easy to make database.

[KBW]

KBW sb, this raises an important point which we discussed once on phone. The reason for the lack of enthusiastic participation support (which you have been lamenting for a while) is because a majority of people does not know if a local Pakistani rose database exists! Here in this forum we have approx. 10 regular keen contributors. And that's your audience, period.

Farooq bhai, I am talking about the forum members here and not other people. And I believe there are enough forum members who are interested in roses and keep talking about them in other threads. I just want that what they write in different threads about a particular rose (which is actually their practical experience of that rose), they should share in this thread as well. And experience sharing is not like writing an article about a rose. It may just be a one line comment like "My ABC rose stopped flowering when the temperatures crossed 40*C or the growth of rose ABC was far better than rose XYZ though the soil and growing conditions were same etc etc. Or they may just ask a question like would it be feasible to grow rose ABC in Bahawalpur etc. Am I asking too much? Another reason for lack of participation could be that contrary to my thinking that this database is helping the members, it is actually not helping any member meaningfully in enhancing their knowledge about roses and if that is the case than the whole purpose and objective of undertaking this project comes under question.

I know so little about roses that I can only appreciate what you are doing. What you and others might do is popularize this forum to increase readership and increase participation. Facebook could be an easy advertisement place for increasing readership and participation.

A colleague mentioned an example that
1. If someone beats the drum with both hands to tell the world that he is doing useful work, then people recognize soon that he is doing nothing except beating the drum.
2. If someone is working with both hands - nobody knows that he is doing something useful. He exists as an unsung hero.
3. The ideal case is to reserve one hand for work and one hand for beating the drum to tell the world that the other hand is doing something useful.

The first example belongs to our hukumraans and second one applies to you! So increase your audience elsewhere as well. I am sure out of 18 crore people in PK, there will be rose lovers who do not know about this database.

I would like to stay in second category. No personal recognition is intended. It is just about providing a platform to the fellow members where they can learn about roses and know about first hand experience of other experienced members regarding growing of a particular rose in Pakistan. Through mutual sharing of information, we all learn.

[rafique]

Sir KBW and Farooq sb, i can provide such details about the roses which i have. If the info like this is helpful then i would try to share at best possible available time.
Its is great job for great cause that is the education/awareness for many novice gardeners and rose lovers.

Best Regards


MOD EDIT: Thanks a lot Rafique sahib. The data provided by you has been shifted to the concerned entry. Please have a look at it. Great job.

[UMARKHANMARDAN]

Rafique Blue River bloom size is large.It should increase with cool temps.Your roses foliage is pretty good. Lavender,Pinks, revert pinks have strong fragrance & Blue River is so fragrant.Actually fragrance depends on temps plus every nose has different tendency to receive the fragrance.What i mean some people feel it rapidly some feel it lightly.You are master in roses dear.The foliage speaks for you.

[rafique]

Thank you Umar Bhai for kind compliments . I learned moslty from the experienced rosarians here in this forum and you are on top of it. Also learned from my mistakes and
many shared information in this forum. KBW sb did and doing alot in the form of rose database with respect to Pakistan's environment which is really comemndable.

[KBW]

100 - Blue River




Common Name: Blue River
Other Names: KORsicht
Type: Hybrid Tea
Bred by: Reimer Kordes (Germany, 1984).
Description:
Lilac, fuchsia / magenta edges. Strong fragrance. 35 petals. Full (26-40 petals), borne mostly solitary, high-centered bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
Medium, bushy, upright. Medium, semi-glossy, medium green foliage.
Height of up to 4' (up to 120 cm).
USDA zone 6b and warmer. Can be used for cut flower or garden. Spring Pruning: Remove old canes and dead or diseased wood and cut back canes that cross. In warmer climates, cut back the remaining canes by about one-third. In colder areas, you'll probably find you'll have to prune a little more than that.

Lineage: Blue Moon × Zorina


Above Information source: HelpMeFind http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/plants.php

Pictures: Contributed by Gardening Pakistan member Rafique of bush growing in his house in Lahore. Pictures taken on 14 Oct 13.




Rafique's Comments:
Bloom captured on 14 Oct.
Bloom size is still small because of heat but increase in size with the reduction in temperature..
It is fragrant but intesity is reduced. Remained in full sun through out summer . Proved good heat resistant.

UMARKHANMARDAN's Comments:
Blue River bloom size is large.It should increase with cool temps.Your roses foliage is pretty good. Lavender,Pinks, revert pinks have strong fragrance & Blue River is so fragrant.Actually fragrance depends on temps plus every nose has different tendency to receive the fragrance.What i mean some people feel it rapidly some feel it lightly.You are master in roses dear.The foliage speaks for you.

KBW's Comments:
Great effort Rafique bhai. This is what is desired. Just post the information in any form and I will put it at the right place. In time, we will have comprehensive information about many roses available to us and it will not be scattered in 15 threads rather will be all at one place, easily accessible through the hyperlinks given on page 1.

[rafique]

Velvet Fragrance
Its also proved good heat resistant. Remainded in soil bed at location which received full sun in May-Jul till 4 pm. Repeatedly blooming. Flower size and fragrance reduced in summer. Now again gaining its color and fragrance. Image taken on 14-Oct-13. Good to have it. Lightly pruned in first week of Oct which resulted multiple buds.



MOD EDIT: Thanks for the input Rafique sb. Entry updated. Please have a look.
http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... 104#p16104

[KBW]

Many entries have been updated. Some of the updated entries are referred below but there are many more that have been updated with latest information. Please have a look....

- Peace http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... =40#p15654

- Mister Lincoln http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... =70#p16109

- Velvet Fragrance http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... =70#p16104

- Perfect Moment http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... =30#p15649

- Red Edin http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... 609#p15609

I am thankful to those members who are continuously providing updates. The same are being compiled and shown in the respective entries, making the database more comprehensive and more importantly, incorporating our personal observations.

regards