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[UMARKHANMARDAN]

Thanks Rafique dear.Its a stunning rose.

[Hamad Ahmed Kisana]

this 10 years old rose is growing in my cousins garden .it is very vigorous plant and flowers almost all year.it is mildly scented.sir KBW if not appropriate please delete this post.

[KBW]

Hammad bhai, that a beauty. Any idea about the ID? There are so many roses in this shade that its difficult to identify. If would request other members to identify this rose. Is it fragrant?
If this is a new one than a new entry will be created. If it is already there than pics will be added to the existing entry in your name. Thanks for the contribution, brother.

[rafique]

It is beautiful and gorgeous dear. Petal count, bloom shape and may help to identify it?
From shape it seems to be HT Rose. Further classification can be done on bases of color, no of petals and fragrance.

[UMARKHANMARDAN]

Hamad its a tall hybrid tea with lot of fragrance & If you prune to keep it dwarf.Even then it will attain a hight of 5ft & wil flower after that.Dear its Mr Lincoln.Its an AARS winner.The flowers will be red in hotter months but dust maroon in winter.Still its one of the most favorite red along its sisters Pappa mieland & Oklohoma. All are from same parentage.
There is another great rose just like LINCOLIN but i think its not that one.CHRYSLER IMPERIAL. its a great rose with upto 50 petal count.I am sorry i have lost all three bushes some years back.Its also AARS winner.

[KBW]

Yes, it could be Mr Lincoln, Oklahoma or Papa Meilland though the shade is a bit towards pinkish side instead of scarlet. But this could very easily be due to camera as it is difficult to capture exact red shade most of the time. Hammad bhai, could you give details of petal count and fragrance.

Very interesting roses, indeed. All three have the same parents, ie,
Chrysler Imperial (Hybrid Tea, Lammerts, 1952) × Charles Mallerin (Hybrid Tea, Meilland, before 1947)

However, as per HMF, Oklahoma was bred by Swim & Weeks, United States before 1963 and had a patel count of 45-50. Mister Lincoln was bred by same breeder in 1964 from the same parents, patel count 35. Papa Meilland was bred a year earlier in 1963 in France by Allain Meilland and also had the same petal count as Mr Lincoln. Since they were bred in different countries or at different times so they were registered with different names.

Therefore, factually speaking, Oklahoma, Papa Meilland and Mister Lincoln are all real brothers

We already have entry for Mr Lincoln and Oklahoma. I will add these pics to the entry when confirmed. Please compare
http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... =70#p16109

http://www.gardeningpakistan.com/viewto ... 100#p21323

You see, it's not without a reason that rose is called the King or Queen of roses (depends on the language you speak). Indeed, hardly any flowering plant comes to roses..... they can at best be a distant second.


regards

[Hamad Ahmed Kisana]

sir i asked my cousin and he told me that petal count is 25 and it is mildly fragrant not strong.so i think it is not Mr Lincoln.

[KBW]

Hammad bhai fragrance can very from season to season, and from soil to soil. The petal count can also very in seasons. I hope the petal count was taken on the fresh flowers because on old flowers, some petals might have fallen down. From shape it does look like either Mr Lincoln or Papa Meilland (because the petal count is less for Oklahoma) but lets see it for a while. Its a gorgeous rose bush in any case

[Hamad Ahmed Kisana]

sir today i personally visited again this bush.petal count is 25 on fresh flowers and fragrance is moderate but according to my cousin fragrance was high 3 to 4 years before and now it is less.i will count its fragrance half from double delight and sharifa asma. color is also maroon red not bright red.

[KBW]

Hammad bhai if you see the pics of Mr Lincoln that I have posted from Niagara Rose Garden in Niagara Falls, they are dark maroonish. Shades can vary due to weather and soil and so can be the fragrance. One of my friends has experimented (in US) on the effects of alkaline, neutral and acidic soils on the intensity of rose fragrance. With the same roses planted in different location, the fragrance of many roses was mild in Alkaline soil and far stronger in acidic soils. But for one odd rose, it was the other way and they smelled better in alkaline soil which had a pH of around 7.5 instead of acidic pH of 5.5.

That is the beauty of rose gardening. It's an easy field but if one starts going in to minor details than sky is the limit. There is so much of reasearch avaialble on roses that it's hard to imagine.

In the proper rose forums, senior roserians tend to address roses as HE and SHE and not as IT. They believe that every rose (even the same cultivar), has a personality of its own and should be treated that way. Wow.... roses with a personality It's a routine to see statements like he doesn't like acidic soil or oh boy! she loves bone meal etc